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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:39:00 -
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Yeah, they are discussing it like a legal matter, but it already is. By paying to play the game you agree to the EULA. That's a contract, so breaching that contract is a breach of a contract. Earning money through a breach of contract is essentially fraud.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:44:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I'm unclear how CCP corporate policy should keep an insurance company from paying out on property covered by a policy.
Oh absolutely. They are denying the claim because they believe she has stolen her own goods to file a fraudulent claim. The discussion about the legality of her income is separate.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.13 19:54:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I generally don't turn to internet forums for legal advise, but its my birthday so I'm going to treat myself. In what country and under what law would violating a EULA, by itself, be a criminal act resulting in state forfeiture of assets and felony charges?
Anyone breaching a contract would be liable to pay damages to the party on the other side of the contract. While not directly a criminal matter, intentionally breaching a contract to earn money would not leave you in a healthy legal situation as it could be seen as illegal earnings. Any money you do earn from it would belong to the company owning the game anyway, as they own the "property" you are selling unless they state otherwise. In the case of EVE, seeing as you can buy plex and GTCs legally, and convert them to cash, the breach of contract would be direct loss of earnings for CCP so you'd be liable for that too.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.13 20:03:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I laugh at this woman's loss. Why? Because it's people like this that ruin games like EVE Online that are not supposed to be pay-to-win by making it pay-to-win. Because the EVE Online EULA expressly forbids selling in-game items for real world money, and I hope whatever account(s) she's using in game to make the item transfers was one of the accounts in the recent wave of permabans. I hope she loses the case, I applaud the thieves for delivering such poetic (however illegal) justice, I applaud AAMI for denying her claim, and I hope she cries a lot over it. There is nothing funny about the loss of anyone for any reason. She was very thorough and within the confines of the law on how she made a living and invested. Even as far as notating everything and reporting the items with receipts, to the insurance company. The lawyers are trying to use the source of income as a way to criminalize the loss, which is unrelated. Funnily enough, the country's law on the matter justifies the job. You should laugh at phone sex operators who get raped too.
So intentionally breaching a contract then fraudulently claiming theft is OK with you? As that's what this is saying is happening. Then to top it off, she can't prove anything because "all of my email accounts have been hacked, I swear!"
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
441
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Posted - 2013.08.13 20:39:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I generally don't turn to internet forums for legal advise, but its my birthday so I'm going to treat myself. In what country and under what law would violating a EULA, by itself, be a criminal act resulting in state forfeiture of assets and felony charges? Anyone breaching a contract would be liable to pay damages to the party on the other side of the contract. While not directly a criminal matter, intentionally breaching a contract to earn money would not leave you in a healthy legal situation as it could be seen as illegal earnings. Any money you do earn from it would belong to the company owning the game anyway, as they own the "property" you are selling unless they state otherwise. In the case of EVE, seeing as you can buy plex and GTCs legally, and convert them to cash, the breach of contract would be direct loss of earnings for CCP so you'd be liable for that too. None of that sounds like a criminal matter, but a civil one with any legal proceedings to be brought by CCP against the individuals involved. Still doesn't seem like the stuff of state forfeiture and felony charges and an eventual trip to federal PMITA prison.
Who ever said it was a felony? Illegal earnings can still end you up in prison, at least it can in the UK. And earnings through intentional breach of contract are illegal earnings.
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